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Publishing copyright materials, I usually do not provide them with a postscript that the site administration can not share the opinions of the author. I take it for granted. However, in the case of this article I want to say that personal experience does not correspond to the material presented. My quails calmly tolerated a decrease in the temperature in the room to 10 ° C, at lower temperatures egg production decreased and mortality began. S.F.

This bird is quite thermophilic, and at an early age, even a single supercooling is fatal for her! However, I learned to keep these birds in the winter in an unheated room and even get eggs from them. The experiment was conducted with Estonian rocks and its hybrid with the Pharaoh.

Of course, if it is possible to keep the birds in a warm room, you will not need all my advice.

The experiment was forced by need — a large number of quails in the house created problems: the smell, the cries of cockerels. I had to move the birds to the balcony for the whole autumn. First, in a cage with quails, insulated with a blanket, turned on a 40 W light bulb, but it systematically burned out. And when feeding and selecting eggs, the temperature inside became like outside. From the heating had to be abandoned. Meanwhile, the autumn was over, it was still chilling, and my pets were still running! It surprised me, because in the literature it is said that at a negative temperature, the quail stops egg-laying. As with the maintenance of chickens in winter, I maintained a 17-hour day for these birds using a low-power, energy-saving light bulb and a timer. The winter was quite warm (the temperature on the balcony rarely dropped below - 7-10 degrees), and my pets moved it easily.

Otherwise, one of my friends did. He bought a cabinet (second-hand, but not yet falling apart) and installed cells and lighting / heating from two light bulbs in it. Warm it inside the foam, at the top and bottom of the cabinet made several holes for ventilation. In this design, quails live on his balcony more than one winter.

Since chickens and quails lived in my apartment at the dacha, I decided to keep them together in a hen house next winter. It would seem that everything from such a neighborhood should have won, because the chickens significantly heat the air with their heat and pick up the food sprinkled with quails. But everything turned out to be much more complicated. I hope you do not repeat my mistakes.

The first thing you had to face was where to put the cage? Placed it approximately at the level of the hens' perches. When planning the winter maintenance of quails together with the hens, one must take care that they do not sit on the cage of these crumbs for the night. Otherwise, every morning, quails will look bad from the litter falling on them, and, as you know, chickens produce most of all at night. This problem was easily solved with the help of inclined plywood, additionally suspended above the cage. Then there was the question of the protection of quails from the bottom, because their pink legs resembled chickens like worms, and they could ruthlessly snatch them. It was necessary to modify the cell with a 25x25 mm grid stretched just below it.

In addition, after the "relocation" of quails in the chicken coop, they stopped laying eggs. I thought it was from moving to a new environment. But soon the perpetrators were caught! They were again chickens: they successfully stole eggs, rolling out of the cage. I had to cover the tray.

The winter in the chicken coop was not at all "balcony", and I had to change tactics. The joint content with chickens has made adjustments to the prevention of pukoperoeda. Quails often had to “bathe” in sand-ash baths with the addition of sulfur. Although the temperature of a quail is 2 degrees higher than that of chickens, and there is no comb, but without feather in the cold they will not survive! In no case can not be left for the winter in an unheated room and quail younger than 3 months - they are doomed to death.

Next to the cage, I hung a thermometer to monitor the temperature. And here are the observations: at a temperature of up to -7, the quails did not rush well, and when it was further lowered, they stopped. The temperature in the chicken coop was about 10 degrees higher than outside, and, it turns out, my birds survived to -12 degrees.! At night, they get together to keep warm. I know that some owners arrange plywood houses for them, where the birds keep their temperature above zero even in the cold! So they are easier to water: inside you can put the drinkers.

(With a small number of birds, of course, you can somehow perk up and remix them in winter. However, if your livestock passes for a couple of hundred - it is better to build a normal poultry house. FS)

Separately, I want to say about watering and feeding quails in winter. Usually they are given compound feed for 10-30-day-old broilers, but they do not produce it in the winter. We have to buy feed for laying hens and enrich it with corn, sunflower seeds, grass and coniferous flour (5-10%). If there is fish meal, this is a big plus. Last winter, I introduced a large amount of dried rowan and pine flour into the poultry ration, which I harvested myself, and added about 10% of the volume to the feed. Rowan dried on the stove, but the second was more difficult. Pine needles can only be harvested from October to March, when there is a minimum amount of tar in it. Quail is not a chicken and does not swallow it entirely - I had to make coniferous flour. For this, the twigs (from the trees felled by the winds) kept an hour in the oven at a temperature of + 50 degrees. After that, the needles crumbled and finely ground. By the way, this is a pretty good use of the New Year tree, which is usually sent to the trash.

There are problems with watering birds in the cold. If you can go back to them every day, pour them warm water. With limited access there are two ways to drink - cold (snow) and hot (heated water). And if you don’t need to explain anyone about the snow, then on the second method I want to stop. To heat the drinkers, you can use a small boiler connected through a step-down transformer at 60 volts. It does not heat to a dangerous temperature and does not burn out, even if the water runs out. It is even safer to use a car light bulb from a 12-volt turn signal light for heating.

If all the described conditions are observed, the small bird will spend very useful eggs on your table all winter long. Do not be afraid to experiment, because the ostrich is also a heat-loving bird, and we feel good in the snow too.

Alexander Nekhaychik, amateur poultry breeder, Minsk.
Gardener and gardener number 16, 2011, pp.52-54

Feeding birds

It is best to feed the birds separately, and quails are perfect feed for young broilers. If you do not want to spend money on a separate feed for quails, you will have to add corn, pine flour and sunflower seeds to the feed for chicken. When keeping birds in a small chicken coop, it’s almost impossible to separate the chickens and quails. In this case, the first need to feed the quail, they are very scatter food, so the hens can then pick it up.

The first few days you need to carefully monitor the feeding process and ensure that there are no fights. If an aggressive individual appears that constantly picks up the rest of the birds, then it should be moved to a separate room for several days. If such an individual is ignored, all other birds may begin to behave aggressively. After the bird has sat for several days separately, it can be returned back to the flock. If conflicts continue and the behavior is not amenable to adjustment, then the bird is slaughtered.

As for drinking, it is necessary to monitor the purity of the water. Drinking bowls should be located on the territory of the house and in quail cages. Chickens are not picky about drinking, no matter what the temperature of the water. Quails prefer to drink only warm water, especially in winter. From the cold water quails can catch a cold, so you need to monitor its temperature.

At observance of all rules described by us, hens and quails can perfectly get along with each other, it is important to control the behavior of birds only for the first few days.

Conditions of detention

You know, in order to keep quail in the amount of two hundred pieces, all you need is one room and eight cages. My father did not even have to build a chicken coop - they fit perfectly in the basement of a country house. Truth and conditions they need appropriate: humidity of 60%, temperature about 25 degrees and dim lighting, even twilight.

If they are not provided, problems can begin. My father faced the fact that his birds were bald. Literally. He drove them for a long time to the veterinarians, tested, but the cause was never found, the quails were absolutely healthy. Only here they did not have feathers. It turned out that it was the excessively high humidity that affected their plumage - the hygrometer showed more than 80%!

And how much space do you need for chickens? That's right, a detached room, preferably with a special range. But it must be cleaned at least twice a week, so as not to dilute unhygienic. And what a "wonderful" flavor of poultry is in the air! Imagine watching every day how even fifty chickens trample on a green lawn. On the third day after such a walk, only a memory will remain of him.

Chicken farm owners have problems in the cold season. In order to contain such livestock, it is necessary to carry warmth to the hen house, because in winter the bird can die from the cold.

Owners of quail live easier, even if the number of birds is more than four times. In winter, it will be enough to move the cells to the heated room. The basement of the house or the garage will fit.

Important! If you settle chickens and quails together, then the risk of quail eggs being infected with salmonella increases. Chicken manure can get on the shell and become a source of infection. If you keep and those, and others, in different rooms.

Chicken four times the quail. Even the largest. Even a broiler. And the size of her eggs, respectively, will be larger. In the previous paragraph, I deliberately wrote about two hundred quails and fifty chickens. In this ratio, they are equal, and you can see the difference in the content of approximately the same number of birds.

True, if you look only at the size, then in this contest the quail lost, it will not pull such rivalry. But she needs less food. But more about that further.

How much can one chicken eat per year to carry eggs? 40 kg of feed and 15 kg of greens and hay. On the day she should receive 320 kcal from food, including 20 g of protein.

Now multiply these figures by fifty conventional chicken heads and get an impressive figure. I will not talk about food prices, so it is clear that the costs will be substantial.

What is fed quail? My father makes for them a mixture of special feed, mineral supplements and fresh vegetables. In general, the consumption per day is small. I will take as the basis 8 cages with a bird, each of which contains on average 25 quails.

In this scenario, it turns out about 6 kg for all cells per day. In my opinion, this is quite a bit.

Let me remind you that ONE chicken eats 40 kg of dry food per year! And if they are fifty?

In addition to the mix of feed, the father feeds the birds with fresh grass, shell rock and eggshell. Yes, yes, non-waste production is obtained. Very comfortably.

Breeding

About chickens everything is clear - an individual is needed, which is capable of drying eggs before the appearance of offspring. Fortunately, these birds have not lost their ability to incubate, as happened with quails. It is only necessary to find the right one and the young will hatch very soon. Usually, birds of meat or meat-egg breed are taken for this purpose.

In addition to incubation, the "mother" will take care of the offspring when the chickens will need to nurse.
In addition to the "natural" method of cultivation, you can use an incubator. It will be more difficult, but will be a way out when the hen is not found.

For breeding quail there is no alternative. Only an incubator. In the process of evolution, they lost the incubation instinct, so immediately after the bird has taken the fertilized egg, it is taken and sent to the incubator. There, the embryos in a few weeks will develop into full chicks.

The incubator can be bought in a specialized store, and you can collect your own hands. A guide for this is in the agricultural literature or on the Internet, on quail sites.

Dietitians recommend including quail eggs in the diet for a variety of health problems, from allergies to heart disease. From them it is impossible to catch Salmonella, because the bird's body temperature is 42 degrees, which does not allow the infection to get into her body. I wrote about the benefits of quail eggs in the article “Golden eggs from quails”.

Quite a different story with chicken. Her eggs are not advised to give children and eat raw. They can cause allergies in people acutely reacting to egg white. And unlike quail, they do not have the ability to cure, for example, diseases of the gastrointestinal tract.

To sum up all of the above, the chicken was not as steep as a quail, it won against that one in size. But this is not the main thing, right?

Is it possible to keep quail with chickens

If the bird is contained in a small private farm, where there is a shortage of free premises, then, in principle, joint keeping of hens and quails is quite acceptable. But if it is possible to keep the quail farm separately, then it should be used without fail. What threatens quail cohabitation with chickens:

  1. Diseases transmitted from chickens to quails (viral diseases, microscopic mites that eat down and feathers). Where a large chicken may not notice a temporary indisposition, the small bird will certainly perish. To prevent infection, the poultry farmer will need to pay special attention to preventive measures (baths from ash, sulfur, sand, etc.).
  2. Hypothermia. Quail - heat-loving birds, so the coop should be quite warm. For this, it is advisable to warm the walls of the room from the inside (foam, glass wool). It is also recommended to install several additional electric lamps, which in addition to the lighting will perform the function of heaters. And chickens and quail better rush in a well-lit room. Quails hardly endure cold, and cold often leads quail to death. Therefore, it is very important to monitor compliance with the temperature regime in the house.

The difficulties of cohabitation

The cohabitation of chickens and quails in the same space can create a problem with the additional protection of all planes of the cage. The reason is that the quail legs are thin and red; at a distance, the chickens can easily confuse them with worms and try to peck. This problem can be solved simply: the poultry farmer will need to fit the sides and front of the cage with a metal or synthetic mesh so that between the cage and the net is created buffer zone about 20 cm wide. Quail enclosure Quails require dry and warm air, and in a closed room the humidity is usually increased due to the miasma of feces and the collision of warm breath with cold air in the room. For quails, raw and frosty air is a source of colds. The poultry farmer needs to provide air vents for ventilation. They should open and close easily.

The room is ventilated daily for 5–10 minutes in the morning.

After moving to the chicken coop, it is possible to stop or reduce egg laying with quails. Of course, the reason may be a change in housing conditions or stress from moving to a new place of residence, but the poultry farmer should take a closer look at the behavior of chickens. These birds are pretty savvy birds and quickly realize that you can eat other people's eggs.

How to place quail cages in the hen house

In the absence of another room, quail cages can be placed in a hen house, but it will have to take into account some of the requirements for the maintenance of heat-loving birds.

  1. Temperature - in the chicken coop should be warm, the air temperature should not fall below +10 ° С, the temperature at + 18–20 ° С is considered ideal. Cells should be placed away from drafts. There should be no sudden changes in temperature. If the temperature in the chicken coop starts to drop, the quails will start climbing up to each other to warm up, which may lead to crush and strangulation of the weaker and younger individuals.
  2. Accommodation - cells with quails are installed so that the chickens do not use the ceiling of the cage as a night roost. Otherwise, in the morning quails will be covered with chicken traces of life, because during the night chickens often defecate. The best way out of this situation is to nail a large plywood over the top of the box lid, the edges of which will go far beyond the perimeter of the cage roof. This will help the birds stay clean.
  3. Dimensions - when building a house-cage, about 100 square meters are allocated for each bird. cm. Standard sizes of quail cage: height - 25 cm, width - 45 cm, length - 1 m. The cage frame is made of wood, after which all planes (except the roof) are tied into a galvanized grid. Ceiling plane can be made of plywood sheet. Ряды клеток составляются ярусами до самого потолка. Верхние ряды клеток не должны иметь зазора между потолочной крышкой и потолком в сарае, иначе там обязательно устроятся на ночёвку куры.

Отличия в кормлении

Что касается кормления пернатых, то здесь нужно учесть несколько важных моментов:

  1. Куриный рацион гораздо проще, чем перепелиный. Some poultry farmers try to feed all of their birds with the same food to make it easier, but this is wrong, because the chicken food does not have those nutrients that quails need. And although special food for young broiler chickens is quite suitable for quail food, however, additional ingredients should be mixed into these mixtures: fish meal, crushed sunflower seeds and corn, dried chopped grass, and needles flour.
  2. If the room of the chicken coop is small, then it will not be easy to organize separate feeding of chickens and quails. In any case, the first to feed quails, as in the process of eating sloppy birds scatter food on the sides, and chickens pick up scattered leftover food and eat up.
  3. At first, the feeding process must be under the control of the poultry farmer, this is necessary in order to stop the bird fights for food. If in the herd a fighter, constantly bullying his relatives, appeared, then he should be isolated for a couple of days from the team. If you do not pay attention to the behavior of the aggressor, then other birds also begin to fight among themselves. After a few days of isolation, the bird can be returned to the hen house, but if the behavior of the squabbler does not change, the individual is sold or slaughtered for meat.
  4. Drinking water must be clean. For chickens, drinkers with water are installed on the floor of the chicken coop, for quails, drinking containers are firmly fixed on the walls of the cages. Drinkers designed for chickens should have a structure that does not allow them to overturn. In winter, for chickens and for quails, the water should be warm. Quail from cold water can catch a cold, and a chicken drinking cold water will not rush during the winter period.
  5. To provide their pets with vitamin C for the winter, farmers have been harvesting rowan berries since the fall, growing in large numbers in deciduous forests and forest plantations. Dried and passed through a chopper, the berries are regularly added to food for birds throughout the winter. Store dried berries in the house or another in a dry and warm room.

If you comply with all the above conditions, then the chicken herd and quails will be able to live on the same territory, the main thing is to control their communication during the first joint decade.

Why quails stopped carrying eggs

Quite often it is possible to observe a situation when after moving to the chicken house at the quail the egg production drops or completely stops. The reasons for this may be:

  • too low temperature in the hen house,
  • quail eggs eat chicken.

In addition to the three summer months, the rest of the year, the air temperature in the house is controlled by a wall-mounted thermometer. At subzero temperatures, quails rush less frequently or completely stop egg-laying. In addition, the frosty air can provoke pneumonia or a cold in tender birds.

The chicken lurks when a broken egg rolls out of the quail cage, and pecks at it. If chickens were seen by a poultry farmer in theft, then it is necessary to protect them from the tray for eggs in cages. For this you need to create a barrier that can not overcome the chickens.

Pros and cons of sharing content

If you decide to combine in one hen house the maintenance of two species of birds at once, then you should know what benefits you will get from this, as well as find out what kind of trouble may arise. Positive sides:

  1. Big saving of feed in the joint keeping of poultry - the chicken carefully picks up and pecks the scattered remains of the quail food. As a result, less food is wasted, the chickens are full, the floor in the coop is clean.
  2. The temperature in the room - because in one chicken coop contains a large number of living creatures, respectively, the temperature of their bodies, the air heats up. And although additional heating may be necessary, the air temperature will still be significantly higher than with a separate content of hens or quails only.
  3. Facilitation of care - it is much easier and faster for the farmer to service all feathered pets (set feed and water) in the common room.
  1. The spread of parasites and diseases between two groups of birds of different breeds forces the poultry farmer to constantly carry out preventive measures among both groups.
  2. Possible injury quail from aggressive chickens, as well as frequent theft of quail eggs.

Cage requirements

From the experience of many poultry farmers it is known that quails are better kept in cages. Therefore, if you have enough space in the hen house, then you can safely place the cages next to the perches of chickens. However, you will have to take into account some requirements.

  1. Quails need a special temperature. The room should be warm enough, not less than 10 degrees. Of course, the chickens will warm the air with their heat, but for safety you can warm the room and install additional lamps that will generate heat. The presence of light in the room will also have a positive effect on egg-laying.
  2. The size of the cage should be calculated based on the fact that one bird requires 1.5–1.7 square meters. dm space. Standardly, the cells are 25 cm high, 45 cm wide and about 1 m long. The frame, as a rule, is made of wood, covered with galvanized mesh. As the roof, you can use a sheet of plywood. You can put the cells in several tiers. At the same time note that the space between the quail cages and the ceiling should not remain. Otherwise, your chickens will spend the night over them, and the poor birds will suffer not only from noise, but also from chicken droppings.
  3. You should also take care that chickens could not get to the little pink legs of quails, which from a distance can remind them of worms. Natural desire of chickens will attack and eat prey. You can protect the cells with something by arranging a kind of aviary, or stretch another layer of the grid a short distance from the cage.

Feeding specifics

Keeping chickens in terms of food is much easier than quails. Feeding the birds together is not recommended, as the chicken is a less picky bird. You can buy ready-made feed for young broilers, which is quite suitable for quails. But if you do not want to spend money on special feed, you will have to add corn, sunflower seeds and grass or pine flour to the chicken feed. Fishmeal also has very good ingredients for quails.

It is useful to prepare rowan: dried and ground, it can be added to food, but it must be stored separately. A huge positive thing is that chickens will eat up the remains of food quail. In this case, there will be less waste, and even chicken food will have to spend less. Water for quails must be carefully monitored. It should be fresh, clean, and in the cold season is also quite warm. Otherwise, your small bird may catch a cold.

If egg laying has stopped

It may happen that quails cease to move when they move to the hen house. This may be two explanations: the wrong temperature and chickens. To monitor the temperature during the cold season, install a thermometer in the hen house. In the cold winter you need to make sure that the room is not too cooled.

Cold can not only provoke the termination of egg-laying, but also cold quails.

Some poultry breeders note that with good lighting, quails continue to float even with a sufficiently low temperature of 5–7 degrees below 0. However, the air humidity in different regions is different, therefore it is better to warm the room. The second reason may be the stealing of chickens who can drink quail eggs, rolling out of the cage. In this case, you should simply close the trays. It should take into account all the conditions in the aggregate - the birds should be comfortable in the room.

Disease prevention

Perhaps the content of quails with chickens has more pluses than minuses. But one of the most serious drawbacks are the diseases that birds can get from each other. Quail - the birds are more tender, and therefore the disease is worse. It is better to carry out preventive measures in advance so that it is not too late, therefore:

  • bathe quails more often in sand-ash baths with added sulfur. This will help prevent mallophagus, which develops when parasitizing on the body of the pufferibird bird. In winter, a bird without feathers simply cannot survive, and in the event of a slander, cannibalism can appear,
  • in case you feed quails with chicken food, “night blindness” may develop. Indeed, in a special feed, the content of vitamins is balanced, including vitamin A, the lack of which leads to illness.

Try it and you will succeed!

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